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FelixCarter · Jan 05, 2007, 11:43 PM // 23:43

My elementalist, Ariana Carter, is a hydromancer. Ever try getting into a group with a hydromancer? It's like trying to resist Aaron Sorkin's mind control abilities; It doesn't happen.

Let's face it. People in Guild Wars love cookie-cutter builds. Everyone on Guru makes fun of people that copy and paste a build from GuildWiki or Guru, but the fact of the matter is that's exactly what the majority want in Guild Wars. If you try to be different and make your own build, you're shunned from the community in Guild Wars. If you make a cookie-cutter build, you're shunned from the Guru community and similar communities...

I, personally, don't understand it. Nor do I wish to. I'm going to continue using the builds I created myself, even if it means I rarely am accepted in the Guild Wars community.

Do what makes you feel happy. Don't try to impress others. That's how everything should be done.

Age · Jan 05, 2007, 11:46 PM // 23:46

I wouldn't say Eles get picked on I would say Warriors do well atleast around here anyway. I much prefer Air to fire anyday but most want Nukers meaning meteroer showers.there are other ways and Ele can help the team greatly through earth and wards even some water and on my bar i always use ward agianst melee.It is no differnent than of monks those out there moslty want healers not protection Monks and Necros being MM/Cursess as opposed to blood.

Sarevok Thordin · Jan 06, 2007, 12:32 AM // 00:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kakumei

Elementalists are pretty much the Timmy class. This certainly isn't an inherently bad thing, and it's more than necessary; you just have to deal with the stigma of playing a Timmy class. Sorry.

Timmy Class? o_O

Dev121 · Jan 06, 2007, 12:34 AM // 00:34

It doesnt matter if they ;suck; (to me they dont) its all about what individual's want to play , nearly everyone uses hero's/henchmen so why listen to someone who spent all day adding up statistics for no real use ............ play it for fun.

To the above posts ; yes its true leaders want their team to run around their build choice but really ......... it is their choice if your partying with them , forget the idiots and hang with koss

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Sarevok Thordin · Jan 06, 2007, 12:40 AM // 00:40

I never force people to run specific builds unless the mission calls for it, and even then, I only ask for 1 or 2 skills.

Never do I hold a gun at a Necro's head and say "OK YOU ARE MM OR U DIE!"

I do try to stray from such cookie cutter builds as they do my head in.

Kakumei · Jan 06, 2007, 01:00 AM // 01:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sarevok Thordin

Timmy Class? o_O

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=mtgcom/daily/mr258

Fascinating read, imo

Pretty spot-on, too.

Also I will never understand Guru's bizarre stance against "cookie-cutter" builds. Why is being efficient a bad thing again?

Sarevok Thordin · Jan 06, 2007, 01:15 AM // 01:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kakumei

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=mtgcom/daily/mr258

Fascinating read, imo

Pretty spot-on, too.

Also I will never understand Guru's bizarre stance against "cookie-cutter" builds. Why is being efficient a bad thing again?

Cookie-Cutter != efficient

It's just working builds for dummies.

awqaw · Jan 06, 2007, 01:44 AM // 01:44

well for your information my ele was my first char AND in pre they could kill monsters in PVE faster than a W or any other proff AND i owned one of the officers from my guild. he was a necro (forgot second proff).

AND i only killed him in about 5 or 6 spells since it was 1v1

lol u know wat he said?
"you won coz yuor an ele"

Kakumei · Jan 06, 2007, 01:51 AM // 01:51

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Originally Posted by Sarevok Thordin

Cookie-Cutter != efficient

It's just working builds for dummies.

So-called "cookie cutter" builds become so when they catch on and become popular--and to become popular, they have to be doing something right. Oftentimes, that right thing is that the build just works.

Do other builds work? Of course. Better? Maybe. But these builds are popular--cookie-cutter, if you will, though I abhor that phrase--because they work, and because they are easy to use. Ease of use is an incredibly important thing, as would you trust any Average Joe in GW to run his own "unique build"? While many people are more than capable of making their own successful skillsets, the vast, vast majority of players out there are complete idiots when it comes to buildmaking--which is why they latch onto "cookie-cutter" builds, and frankly, I'd rather have yet another Searing Flames ele in my group than some bizarre--and awful--Water Trident spammer or something.

Sarevok Thordin · Jan 06, 2007, 02:18 AM // 02:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kakumei

So-called "cookie cutter" builds become so when they catch on and become popular--and to become popular, they have to be doing something right. Oftentimes, that right thing is that the build just works.

Do other builds work? Of course. Better? Maybe. But these builds are popular--cookie-cutter, if you will, though I abhor that phrase--because they work, and because they are easy to use. Ease of use is an incredibly important thing, as would you trust any Average Joe in GW to run his own "unique build"? While many people are more than capable of making their own successful skillsets, the vast, vast majority of players out there are complete idiots when it comes to buildmaking--which is why they latch onto "cookie-cutter" builds, and frankly, I'd rather have yet another Searing Flames ele in my group than some bizarre--and awful--Water Trident spammer or something.

It may work, but does it work *WELL*.

The SF build is incredibly easy to screw up in itself, all the monkey has to do is continue spamming without attuning to fire or hitting GG while the enemy isn't burning.

Energy will drop like a ROCK.

When it came to the crunch, I'd take someone with their own imagination and knowledge of their build than someone who just read it off a wikipage/copied it from observer.

LifeInfusion · Jan 06, 2007, 05:33 AM // 05:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sarevok Thordin

Timmy Class? o_O

Johnny, Timmy, Spike, Vorthos

MtG terms.

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=mtgcom/daily/mr11b
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x...m/daily/mr220b

Tide to Go · Jan 06, 2007, 05:36 AM // 05:36

all i know is that they dance like crap
they look fun to play with though.......(fake smile)

Crom The Pale · Jan 06, 2007, 06:14 AM // 06:14

I love eles, but then I love all the proffesions

I also love creativity...and playing with 60%dp

When I want to experiment with a new build I play alone and have fun, when im helping others or just want a mission done with I'll use the best one for that mission. If that means a cookie cutter build or something that ive come up with that I know will work than so be it.

Those that don't give respect to any class and claim that Hero's can replace live people should try running a co-ordinated spike where they need to control 4 chars at once and with split second timing....

Live people>Heros>Hench

Russell.Crowe · Jan 06, 2007, 06:14 AM // 06:14

Since when do eles get picked on???? I did not get the memo, sorry. For all those saying that they are worthless damage-wise (we are talking PvE here), I find that eles speed up the process in missions, especially since I have recorded my fastest times running 2+ eles.

W/Mo, PvE Mesmers, Assassins, and in certain areas Rangers get picked on the most imo

divinechancellor · Jan 06, 2007, 06:45 AM // 06:45

My ele does all 4 elements. *sniff* yuup. XD

bilwit · Jan 06, 2007, 06:48 AM // 06:48

Just use SF+Glowing Gaze and that'll show them real good

Zinger314 · Jan 06, 2007, 06:52 AM // 06:52

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Originally Posted by bilwit

Just use SF+Glowing Gaze and that'll show them real good

I've seen Elementalists mess that up...(i.e. Elementalists who adds Liquid Flame and Meteor Shower to that build. Because they can.)

bilwit · Jan 06, 2007, 07:05 AM // 07:05

I've seen ele's echo Rodgort's Invocation in RA but w/e floats their boats

FelixCarter · Jan 06, 2007, 07:57 AM // 07:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kakumei

So-called "cookie cutter" builds become so when they catch on and become popular--and to become popular, they have to be doing something right. Oftentimes, that right thing is that the build just works.

Do other builds work? Of course. Better? Maybe. But these builds are popular--cookie-cutter, if you will, though I abhor that phrase--because they work, and because they are easy to use. Ease of use is an incredibly important thing, as would you trust any Average Joe in GW to run his own "unique build"? While many people are more than capable of making their own successful skillsets, the vast, vast majority of players out there are complete idiots when it comes to buildmaking--which is why they latch onto "cookie-cutter" builds, and frankly, I'd rather have yet another Searing Flames ele in my group than some bizarre--and awful--Water Trident spammer or something.

Quoted for Truth.

Like I said. I don't use the builds that are available here or on GuildWiki. But they work. A guild member of mine uses the Boon Prot build and is phenomenal. These so called "cookie-cutter" builds are what give standard players an option to be "efficient", as Kakumei said. But when put in the right hands, it can be so much more.

Redfeather1975 · Jan 06, 2007, 10:06 AM // 10:06

I like that article on Timmy, Johnny and Spike. It had a lot of truth to it.

Anyhoo, people can run cookie-cutter builds if they want to, but you know cookie-cutter builds don't fly out of the woodwork the second the game goes live. It takes some experimentation and determination to see the potential in a skill when combined with another. I've seen really awesome builds come out months and months after a campaign is released. Thank goodness for those that like to innovate and explore.
Back on topic, I think eles are fine. They have their own style of play and I think after some time when more varied builds are made more popular, people won't just see an ele as a 'glass cannon'. I don't think it's good to generalize anything in life and that can be said for something like professions in a game. It's best not to classify a profession as 1 thing and judge any skill that deviates from that as useless.